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torfaen democratic forum www.torfaen4us.co.uk next time your vote will count home | grumble sheet | information | blog | contact us | election 2008 | dear councillor front page return of council chamber layout drawing (pdf) history may 2008 election and the battle for power clause 4.16.9 contributions on the following issues are invited. blaenavon leisure centre the cabinet system recent press articles with comments (links) labour hang on to power bob wellington's pledge opposition seek rules change plaid defend themselves labour supporters get £18k £5-8k march for democracy garages to rent: pontnewydd croesyceiliog a vote for labour is a vote for south sebastapol! if you agree or disagree click here! democracy for torfaen? there must be a better way of governing torfaen than the current system where the allegiance of the majority of councillors is to their party and/or their leader rather than the people who voted for them. the hopes of the majority of voters at the may 2008 elections were dashed by 5 new members, who had campaigned for change, accepting paid positions. those 5 have merrily propped up the old labour regime for the last 4 years. now with the may 2012 elections imminent we have another opportunity to change things, if we learn lessons from the last time. what do you think? contributions/comments are invited from all sides to our blog. if you wish to start a new topic email me the content or request the opportunity to become a contributor. you will need a google identity but that costs nothing, but it will mean you are responsible for what you say. contribute to our blog here http://torfaen4us.blogspot.co.uk and pass the word on through every possible channel, facebook, twitter, emails, etc. will this happen again? "you cannot blame the abolition of the 10p tax band or gordon browne for the demise of the labour vote in torfaen. if you take away the inherent inbred bias towards voting labour then the labour party have done very badly indeed. people wanted a change. the labour members were gutted, but showing the superb skills that have kept bob wellington in charge over the years a defeat was turned into a victory. yes good men were lost, but battles are like that; however out of defeat the labour leadership have negotiated a victory. now with the loss of some top men even the lowest member of the labour ranks has been promoted to the officers mess. it's an ill wind as they say. they can all hold their heads up high, as they know in their hearts they are the only ones talented and experienced enough to govern, the rest are just a disorganised rabble." comment on may 2008 election aftermath (the items below are some years old but may be of interest to you) stv for torfaen 2012? (too late now!) a comprehensive report by jjr for describes the single transferable voting system in an easy-to-understand way and illustrates how easily it could be applied to the torfaen county borough council elections in 2012 if all parties agreed. the report:------ html | rtf (word compatable) comments please? why not torfaen? see videos of cardiff city council meetings online here. see reasons why torfaen won't even allow audio recording of meetings, let alone allow them to be made available to voters here. for example... "• that the proposal (to audio record meetings) potentially risked weakening the transparency of the governance of the borough, not strengthening it, insofar as it might stifle freedom of expression and democratic debate as well as potentially encouraging inappropriate exchanges or discouraging appropriate ones, and challenges to minutes and • that the motion should therefore be refused, in his (the officers) opinion, based on practical experience, case law, the advice of a respected authority on the law and practice of meetings and the experience and advice of most other authorities in wales." having see many torfaen cbc meetings and observed cardiff cc on video i would say that the cardiff meetings are far more civilised, there are far more questions, allowed, encouraged and answered; and there is far less control of the meeting by officers, whose presence is very low key. chris harris "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" is a quotation attributed to charles caleb colton (1780-1832) but can we feel flattered by the newly formed "torfaen independent group" (previously known as torfaen people's voice) deciding to change their name to "torfaen democratic group"? i wonder how they thought of that name? no definite announcement from them yet but apparently that was the proposal to be discussed at a meeting tonight, monday the 8th of february . update 9th february ... the former torfaen people's voice website now is headed "torfaen democratic group", so it is official. i invite an explanation from this group as to why it chose a name so close to that of this website and ask if they forsee any advantages or problems with this particular choice of name. update 4th of march .... quote from the website "at a meeting on monday the 22nd of february; former members of peoples voice torfaen met and formed a constituted group which as adopted the name: peoples democratic voice." (more quotes by charles caleb colton... " when you have nothing to say, say nothing." "men are born with two eyes, but only one tongue, in order that they should see twice as much as they say." ) the draft local protocol? what is it ? click here why is it necessary? it probably isn't! where did it come from? click here who is involved? not many people yet! people's voice torfaen is no more (see argus website here ) the article also reveals that paul starling will not be running for westminster under the party's banner. it should be a simple question.... is torfaen led by a labour-plaid-independent coalition? (councillor makes crucial change to his website) update the answer is yes! there is a coalition. see councillor cunnington's reply here . is there a coalition between the labour party, the three plaid councillors and councillors cathcart and cunnington? is there really much of a difference between "a strategically balanced coalition " and a "a strategically balanced liason "? councillor alastair cunnington seems to think so because he has changed just one word to "liason" in an article on his website http://www.cunnington.eu/ after the word "coalition" had been there for nearly 9 months. why did he change it, was he wrong to say he was in a coalition with plaid and labour or has the relationship changed? ...was councillor cunnington wrong to say he was in a coalition with plaid and labour or has the relationship changed? either way there are questions to be answered. does the public not have a right to know what the relationship is and how it works; after all, the decision by the three plaid and two independents to join labour after the may 2008 elections has had a crucial effect on local government in torfaen? since then the famous five, as they have been referred to, have generally kept their heads down and supported the labour leadership without comment, only occasionally poking their heads above the parapet to take a shot at one of the easier targets from the opposition. surely anyone judging the conduct of councillors should be clearly seen to be free of political influence? how close a relationship cllr cunnington has with labour is particularly important as he will have a major part in judging the conduct of councillors should the new draft local protocol get agreed, in his new role as members champion (training and development). surely anyone judging the conduct of councillors should be clearly seen to be free of political influence? this will be impossible whether or not cllr cunnington has a liason or a coalition with the leading group, as he is openly appointed by, paid by and has agreed to support the labour leadership. come on alastair, tell us exactly what your relationship is with labour? more importantly when are you going to help bring about the c

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